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Carrie-Anne Moss
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Posted - 2015.04.27 14:54:17 -
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I think its interesting to postulate what ccp would think of this.
If they nerf the insane isk incursion runners can make, some will cry and leave.
But they nerfed IsoBoxing and same thing, they still did it.
Now would ccp care if even dare say 25% of all incursioners unsubbed?
Wait for it....
THEY ALL PLEX ANYWAYS.
Now i am in economics 202 so i get someone paid for plex blah blah blah, yet still, those incursioners ARENT PUTTING THEIR REAL LIFE CASH INTO CCP.
So why WOULD ccp care if they balanced the insane isk they can make with basically zero risk (aside from falling asleep like some bear pointed out lmao)
Seriously, if ccp nerfs hisec incurion isk to make it in line with risk/reward and some bears cry and stop plexing their alts, i dont think ccps bottom line would be affected at all. If anything it would please the masses/rest of eve. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:44:32 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Repping NPCs gets you CONCORDed or a warning from the GMs.
Unlike you who just talk like an idiot I actually tried repping NPCs ...
... not Sanshas, but that doesn't matter ...
... and it's verboten, because ...
... well I forgot.
That was in 2011 or something?
So go ahead and rep them.
Do it.
Be a winner.
lol
You're all idiots.
If anyone cared qbout change, they should cut incursion income to a quarter
and then readjust eventually.
BECAUSE NO ONE OF YOU HYPOCRIT LIARS ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR THE FUN OF IT
YOU ALL JUST PLAY FOR THE GODDAMN MONEY! YOU PEOPLE ARE THE WORST OF THE WORST!
Any and all discussions are pointless,
because you incursion runners have no honesty in you.
You just talk out of your asses just because you are greedy monsters.
Goons should come to highsec and just end all incursions ASAP.
We all will laugh at your tears of rage you stinking, worthless carebears.
Can you please lend me some isk? Like 500mill? Tyvm. I dont wana bear 4 it |
Carrie-Anne Moss
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:07:21 -
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[quote=Mario Putzo
Not all space is equal, different regions offer more lucrative activities than others, EVE isn't fair.
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EXACTLY!!! LOL
Thats what everyone is saying dude!
Yet the developers and everyone in thjs thread not an idiot realise and say that Hisec should be the LEAST LUCRATIVE AREA!
Highest securtiy/lowest risk == least lucrative.
Devs have stated this is goal/intention always as well and admit hisec incursion isk is too high.
You finally said one correct sentance though! Yay! |
Carrie-Anne Moss
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:20:07 -
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Dude said All areas of space not as lucrative as others.
Exactly!!!
Running L4s in a maurader and billions of isk from safe hisec incursions with only chance of dying is someone falling asleep SHOULDNT BE MOST LUCRATIVE ISK IN GAME
Hisec ventures should be LEAST lucrative.
You are ignorant if you think otherwise.
Eve was founded on risk=reward |
Carrie-Anne Moss
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:38:15 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:A) This was changed because most people live in HS, and CCP is catering to its largest subscriber base. As they should since they are a business, and businesses exist to generate profits.
LOL
How many incurion runners that make BILLIONS of isk a week pay ccp $15 a month cash?
Id wager over 75% bux plex off the market SOMEONE ELSE paies ccp $20 for and you use that to sub your account.
Incursion running dont actually hand ccp cash from their wallets.
Take an econ class
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:41:28 -
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Also ccp just buffed nullsec ore prices to reward players there for higher risk taking and to incentivise hisec players to leave to go to null.
Mario you are probably bill gates rich from incursions, does it really matter to you if they take 1/4 of that isk away from you? Youd still have the several trillions of isk you made and will still EASILY be able to continue to earn enough isk to plex your account with incursions after the nerf.
Do you really need to make 20bill a month risk free in hisec? Aint like 10-15bill enough? |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:54:45 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:A) This was changed because most people live in HS, and CCP is catering to its largest subscriber base. As they should since they are a business, and businesses exist to generate profits. LOL How many incurion runners that make BILLIONS of isk a week pay ccp $15 a month cash? Id wager over 75% bux plex off the market SOMEONE ELSE paies ccp $20 for and you use that to sub your account. Incursion running dont actually hand ccp cash from their wallets. Take an econ class And ccp makes more money as a result. Don't need an economic class to know 20>15. Grade school math ftw. Point still stands ccp likes hs income high because 75% of their paid subs live and operate there.
Wrong. Ccp received that money the SECOND someone else bought said plex.
If it gets destroyed in an ibis in jita, they still have the 20$ some dude paid for it before
If it gets converted into Aur, same
If some rich incursion rummer plexes the rest of the year with it, they only received the $20 each from the other dude at time of sale.
If you make 20bill a month and just use plexes someone else already gave ccp money for, you aint giving them anything extra. Why is this so hard to grasp?
If no ever bought a plex on market, ccp would still have just as much money from when someone gave them 20$ each. Yet now they must let you play the game for free for a year.
Seriosuly google freaking econ101 |
Carrie-Anne Moss
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:57:53 -
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Google econ opportunity cost.
You are actually LOSING CCP MONEY
If you couldnt plex your account by incursions, youd have to give ccp 15$ per month from your wallet. You dont have to, hense they lose the opportunity of you paying 15$ and must allow you to play their game for free forever cuz you want to make 20bill a month risk free in hisec |
Carrie-Anne Moss
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Posted - 2015.05.22 04:03:43 -
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Jax Arr wrote:I just don't understand how anyone can say nullsec = more ISK than incursions. You must run with some awful incursion fleets. Given 1 character, 1 account:Incursion HQs can net you up to 250m per hour in ISK payout, though it's usually more like 120m average for me. + Concord LP at minimum 1k ISK/LP. Nullsec running anomolies has been for me about 22m * 3 ticks per hour = 66m usually minus 10% corp tax so 59m or so per hour. +RISK Sure you can run plexes and maybe hit a jackpot and get a bil or so in loots, or you could only get the overseer effects... but you have to first get an escalation or spend loads of time scanning. And yes, null-sec is lots and lots of ISK for a large entity because of moongoo, but the typical line member does not see that ISK. Fountain moons are like 17bil gross ISK per day: Fountain MoonsI agree, incursions make too much money, for too little risk. Null-sec needs an income boost for the average joe, IMO. Perhaps there should be 10-40man anomolies in null that net about the same as incursions, and require all indexes to be 5 before they spawn, or something. Null incursions are just meh.
I live in fountain now and i dont make billions a week risk free like hisec incursioners. It aint fair.
What about closing the Mom ship farming? Where they keep it alive and not kill it to farm more.
What if it like had a set time limit you either had to kill it or it left across new eden somewhere else?
Thats gotta make incursions less of an easy iskfarm and makes sense?
Can we agree? |
Carrie-Anne Moss
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Posted - 2015.08.20 03:40:25 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:We are wandering off topic, here.
I agree with whoever said earlier that the main issue is perception vs truth in income and isk flow. Grass is always greener and 'we got it tough, up hills both ways in the snow' start to muddy the waters. Then ridiculous maxima are thrown about as if they are what every person engaged in that activity makes as opposed to what the most efficient bling fleet can take down.
muddy water
If something is good, people will go to it, that will diminish the returns due to either market forces or diminishing availability of the resource itself. Incursions have a carrying capacity beyond which the returns drop. I assume the same goes for null anoms and even moons. Wormholes and faction war? Each seems to have an upper limit of income and then it becomes how is it divided and allocated. Is it to a group, to the solo pilot? To the holding corp or alliance?
Last thing we want is someone horning in on OUR income but you might like more targets to shoot so you ask for other incomes to be nerfed to the point that yours is the only game in town. But that isn't what Eve is or what it shuld be. Some people want to be solo, let them. Others like running with a group of people, that should be allowed as well as an income stream. Large organizataions need their income to stay viable . . . moons.
Conclusion for me is that if YOU think all the money is in Incursions then run them. Either it will make the payouts lessen as people compete for the resource or you will get rich.
No, I do not support nerfing them (though I would like to see the scouts sites rewritten)
m We do run them, that's the problem. Its not a case of people being jealous of other peoples grass being greener its about pointing out big problems with game imbalances that we are actively abusing.
I think im going to start runnimg them on an alt.
Bet i can plex my account in a few hours one weekend a month.
Goodbye sub fee |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.08.24 11:30:44 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:, ganking opposing fleets ships, awoxing. End of the day that's what the game is about yes?
Those dont happen cuz of the Logi.
Nice try.
Thats more than half what people are cryimg/complaining about here dude.
The fact it is harder to awox 1 man FF illegal Incursion wardec imune corps
And lol ganking.
You need to alpha them which good luck doing that to a maurader or bling BS without bringing 15 gank ships yourself.
Youd be better to just use those 15 tornados on 15 separate haulers and get more kills and more loot.
They need to be easier to kill all around if they make the most isk of all of eve while having the least risk.
High isk=high risk=high chance of death. |
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